Tuesday, June 5, 2007

15th Chapter of Gita-- 6th sloka

Hare Krishna,
We have seen in earlier slokas that the world is not permanent, nor the activities in the world, which result in happiness or sorrow, as everything is an illusion in the substratum of brahmam. Hence we have to turn our attention to the ultimate reality of brahmam of nature of sat chit ananda. Lord Krishna says that its the ultimate goal of human life in earlier slokas and also mentions the path that would lead one to the ultimate truth.
He further elaborates about the goal that should be targeted by one and all in the next sloka. Because only this will pull us out of this chain of birth and death.


15.6 – Na Tat bhasayathee suryah na sasankah na paavakahah
Yat gatva na nivartantee tat dhamam param mama

Meaning of words:
Na tat – not that
bhasayathee – shines/illumines
suryah – the sun
sasankah – the moon
paavakaha – the fire
Yat gatva--- reaching which
Na nivartantee--- will not return back
Tat – that
Dhamam – abode
Param – supreme
Mama – is me

Meaning of sloka
The moon doesn’t shine, nor the sun shines after attaining the state of self realization , after reaching which there is no return. This supreme abode is me or brahmam.

Lord Krishna explains the state of self realization here. In this state neither the sun or the moon shines as these are part of the illusionary world. A person who is realized is above all this. This also means that when a person is realized, he is the self, the brahmam ,which illuminates the world around it. So it outshines the sun and the moon. We do not see stars during the day ,not because that the stars are not present during the day, but because the sunlight doesn’t make them visible to our eyes. So brahmam, illumines itself, nothing can illumine it, and it outshines everything. Also the brahmam is the supreme cause of the whole universe. Hence both sun and moon derive the light from brahmam, hence sun or the moon cannot illumine the brahmam , which is the cause of illumination of the entire universe. As the source of light cannot be illuminated, hence its said that sun or the moon doesn’t shine. This state , being in brahmam is described to be the state ,after attaining which there is no return. After self realization, one is always in a blissful state. He is immune to the world. As after tasting something delicious one would want to have it all the time, as one would want to enjoy it all the time and ever be happy, so also after attaining the state of eternal bliss ,one would never return , to the impermanent world filled with sorrow.



Hare Krishna

Thanks,
Aparna

2 comments:

vedanta said...

HARI AUM

Prostrations to all.

:)Aparna is doing quite a good job but three comments to be precise.

1. Please dont call the ultimate reality as "brahmam" but as "Brahman".
Yes, in local languages like malayalam, tamil etc. we call it Brahmam
as an object but the word which defines the reality is BRAHMAN and
moreover this is normal norm used in English. There is nothing wrong in
brahmam word but just that since we dont want ourselves to be confused (of
course I am the first one getting irritated - really irritated:) - of
the word), we will use the word BRAHMAN. Please do respond back if there
need be more inputs or explanations on this.

2. Please include people in either TO or CC -- Dont include people in
BCC. We dont need to hide the receivers from one another. Yes, if you
are sending the mail to somebody else - then that person can be included
in the forum like each one of us. There need be no hiding amongst the
same family members. Including in TO or CC also helps in replying to the
particular thread by clicking REPLY TO ALL. Here in this mail's case, I
have to manually add others in the CC.

Hope both the above comments are taken positively and not personally:).

3. You had said "after tasting something delicious one would want to
have it all the time, as one would want to enjoy it all the time and ever
be happy, so also after attaining the state of eternal bliss ,one would
never return , to the impermanent world filled with sorrow".

Is the above your words or can you show the source??? As this isn't the
meaning the Lord gives in the sloka. The Lord just says that reaching
where there is no return, that is the goal. If such a goal after
reaching, its possible to come back (which is what your explanation seems to
show as you have said that he wouldn't return because he knows the world
to be impermanent and sorrowful) but the person will not come back.
This is contrary to the Lord's direct simple meaning that "there is no
return". Moreover your explanation will cause more issues and questions to
be answered like "after realization, a person can come back? if so,
realization becomes temporary?? If he is able to see the world after
realization, this would mean that he is still in the world or experiencing
sorrow" etc. etc. Such numerous questions/doubts can be raised which
will lead to tough and complex explanations.

Can you please clarify the source from which this has been taken? There
need be no panic or worry if it's our own words -- but just that then
you may have to exercise extra caution while putting your own
explanations so that it doesn't affect Vedantic concepts.

Prostrations to all.

HARI AUM

Thanks
Hariram
Let a moment not pass by without remembering God

vedanta said...

Hare Krishna,

My apologies for using the wrong word for “brahman”. I shall take care of it going forward.

The example I had given as u mentioned in point 3 is also my own. I apologize for creating ambiguity in the explanation.

Hare Krishna

Thanks,
Aparna